Homosexual Churches (87 views)
From:  David (DavidABrown)    10/3/2002 5:49 pm  
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Source: www.InJesus.com
Jim Bramlett

End-time sign: Homosexual churches/pastors
Jim Bramlett
Oct 03, 2002

Dear friends:

Open homosexual churches and pastors are another sign of the end times and the sodomization of our culture. It is getting so widespread and accepted that the subject is almost a no-no in some Christian circles. One reason is the extreme pressure for political correctness in businesses and government, where most Christians spend most of their waking hours.

Today I received a report of homosexuals in the churches. The writer began by mentioning David Wilkersons book from the 1970s, "The Vision," in which he predicted that churches would have homosexuals speaking openly and freely in the pulpits of America. He went on to describe certain acts done by homosexuals that would even take place INSIDE of the church!

Just 30 years ago, such a bizarre and wicked thought was unimaginable!

The author stated, "At the time, way back in the early and somewhat naive 70's, there was little to no talk of homosexuals in the pulpit, much less them doing their acts within the walls of a church! I took it all with a grain of salt and put the book away, long ago grown dusty on a shelf, until Dave's prophetic words came to pass, and I remembered!"

The below is a continuation of her message. I strongly disapprove of the substitution of the word political "gay" for homosexual, but I will leave her words intact.

Jim
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PROPHECY NEWS
October 2-9th, 2002 issue B

The city of Dallas has the largest "gay church" in America and possibly the world. This church is called the "Cathedral of Hope," and has a woman pastor. (Don't even get me started!) About 3,500 gays attend church there on a weekly basis. This Dallas "church" is also one of the city's largest churches in a city that is filled with many, many churches. Of course, there are those who picket and call it "the Church of Satan", but they are few and far between as more and more of the community have come to accept this church as a real church, meeting the needs of the congregation with love. No longer bothered by the confines of anti-feminist, anti-gay homophobic viewpoints from Scripture, these gay folks are challenging all the old "stereotypes of conservatism and intolerance." (The homophobic and hate-filled Bible thumpers!) (Like you and I?)

The female pastor is "cute" in her messages, "Six days you shall shop, but on the seventh, you shall cease from shopping!" The church has former Catholics, Methodists, Baptists, etc. Doesn't sound too far from what we see at any non-denominational church any given Sunday, does it? Stay with me now! This church is growing so fast that they need three services on Sunday mornings just to meet the needs, not to mention Sunday school and an array of outreach programs to assist the community. They are beginning a $40,000,000.00 expansion project with plans for a $28,000,000.00 cathedral built by a very famous architect. When this building project is completed it will rival St. Patrick's Cathedral in New York City. The massive building will then hold 2,500 at any given service. This church gives $1.3 million per year to charities, schools, health clinics, etc. and is now being called "The First Cathedral of the New Millennium." 350 new members join every year and few leave. This church was founded in 1968 as part of what is now called the "Metropolitan Community Church", which now boasts of having 70,000 members in 22 countries.

In their early days, this Cathedral of Hope rented space from a Unitarian church and then an abortion clinic! (The culture of death promoting death!) Visitors are awed by the "love" of the members, whose numbers have dwindled somewhat because of AIDS related deaths, (More than 1/4 of the congregation had contracted AIDS by the mid-1990's and they have had 1,400 deaths due to the same disease), but generally, there is "fun" had by all! (Are you wondering, what is a statistic on the average number of deaths per year per average congregation? It can't possibly be anywhere near this number unless you live in the middle of a war zone!) Shouldn't that tell you something?

Now some of you may think this all sounds very good, as they do charitable work and help the poor, but is it? There is another part to this story!

THE EROTIC CHURCH OF AMERICA? It seems like "gay churches" are really nothing but a cover for gay pick-up joints! Metropolitan Community Churches advertise on their web sites as, "Bringing people closer to God and to one another." One group at the San Diego MCC had a recent workshop at the church and sponsored by "Gay Leathermen Only. " Held in the church hall, different groups of bondage, S & M, and some groups who's practices will remain unnamed, held various workshops at this church sponsored gathering. Instructive "workshops" for people complete with videos and demonstrations will be provided. Another church held another workshop, entitled S&M 101. (For beginners in sado-masochism). Remember Dave's prophecy, these meetings are held in churches! Another opportunity for "fellowship" was announced in the San Diego church. This was sort of a sex-toy flea market, held in the church's meeting hall. All were advised to be very quiet and not to display their toys on the patio, because, get this: "THIS IS A CHURCH!"

Another seminar was reflecting on the "good old days" when father taught their sons the different aspects of sex! This was called, "Ask Daddy Anything!" Another workshop featured something called "water-sports" (Don't ask) and yet another workshop taught the pleasures of body piercing, branding of flesh, hot waxing, whipping and bondage, master slave relationships, and other unmentionables, and was advertised as a "double-dose of fun!" (People proudly showed their welts after their beatings!) This went along with finding out how to give electrical jolts to your private parts all done with in the "spirit of Christmas" and was called "Erotic Electricity!" I could go on and on, but I'm beginning to gag!

Now does all the "charitable giving" pale in comparison? I thought so! Amazing as it sounds, many main-line denominations have been swayed to throwing their support towards the "Gay Agenda." Little do they know what is really going on, which is every unspeakable work of darkness right from the pit of hell, and all in a church setting!

WHAT CAN WE DO??
We can practice the art of remembering! God's Word clearly says that those who do such things are practicing abominations and are worthy of death! No wonder they have such a high mortality rate in their churches! If they don't die from their gross sexual practices they die from AIDS! The Bible never calls homosexuality a "condition" or a disease, a disorder, or something you are born with! What the Bible does call it is SIN! The Bible also tells us that homosexual feelings, thoughts and behaviors come from a naturally depraved heart, one alienated from God. It is what comes from with a man that defiles him! (MK. 7: 20-23) All sinful acts cannot be blamed on your mother, your childhood, the environment, or any other cause, they all boil down to a choice! We can clearly see by scripture that many are choosing DEATH (Deut. 30: 19) in these last days, and by their very actions prove scripture to be true and accurate!

Bye for now,
Your News Lady,
Hollis Caravetta
1999-2002 InJesus, LLC




David A. Brown
Basic Christian: Forum
www.BasicChristian.org




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Edited 10/4/2002 12:44:58 PM ET by David (DAVIDABROWN 

From:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)     10/17/2002 8:44 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)     
 
    
 
Deuteronomy 23:17-18

17        "There shall be no ritual harlot of the daughters of Israel, or a perverted one of the sons of Israel.

18        You shall not bring the wages of a harlot or the price of a dog to the house of the LORD your God for any vowed offering, for both of these are an abomination to the LORD your God.

A ritual harlot is someone who is a whore either male or female.    This scripture is related to some denominational church problems even today.  

Prostitution was a common part of religious observances among idolatrous nations, especially in the worship of Ashtoreth or Astarte.  The word dog is figurative, and equivalent to the sodomite of the verse preceding. 

For a daughter of Israel to be a whore, or a son of Israel a whoremaster, is to reproach the stock they are come of, the people they belong to, and the God they worship. It is bad in any, but worst in Israelites, a holy nation.  

God would not accept of any offering at all from such wicked people.  For their earnings were made by evil means.  To give 10 percent plus an offering above that would be an abomination to the Lord.  

Today is not any different.  If we give our tithe and offerings from money gained by wicked means it is not acceptable to God.  For to continue in sin of this magnitude would be useless for it does not honor Him.

We cannot honor God with our substance unless it be honestly and honorably come by.  It must not only be considered what we give, but how we got it; God hates robbery for offerings and uncleanness too.

So how can an openly dysfunctional church whether it be homosexual, or fornicators, or adulterers be acceptable to God?  It can't not according to the word of God.  

So does that mean that homosexuals can't go to church?  Certainly not!  They CAN and SHOULD go to church; however, they need to repent and turn away from sin and make it right before God.  

This command is not limited to just homosexuals, this is for ALL of us who sin and fall short of the Glory of God....no one is above doing what is required by the bible to please God....obedience to His word....is better than sacrifice. ~Minister Falcon

 
 
From:  David (DavidABrown)    10/18/2002 7:58 am  
To:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)    (3 of 4)  
 
  444.3 in reply to 444.2  
 
Hi OMSFALCON,

Very well said!

I agree 100% that everyone needs Church and that everyone is Welcome at Church.

And also that the Church is the House of God and not a Bar so appropriate Church behavior constitutes a Church while Bar behavior constitutes a Bar even though some are pretending and attempting to call a bar a Church.

I see that you are using your "Moderator - Gavel" Icon for the forum thats good we will start to get the word out that you are now a forum Assistant.

God Bless you,

David



David A. Brown
Basic Christian: Forum
www.BasicChristian.org

 
  
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   From:  Minister Falcon (OSMFalcon)     10/18/2002 12:30 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (4 of 4)  
 
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Thanks, David. 
  
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